As soon as once more, the notion of Geelong internet hosting a ultimate at house this September is on the agenda.
In all likeliness, there isn’t a risk or such an incidence, however let’s for a second think about the unusual counter arguments to the idea.
Caroline Wilson has lengthy been against the thought, and her arguments are value contemplating as a result of they encapsulate each the final view of these against the thought, and the extraordinary arguments for why the thought is seemingly “ridiculous”.
I feel it’s value noting, perhaps the AFL has already determined Geelong is not going to be internet hosting a ultimate for the foreseeable future, however it’s nonetheless value contemplating the counter arguments, and the contradictions that outcome from them.
The next are a listing quotes lately penned by Wilson in an article she wrote, mocking Geelong’s makes an attempt at securing a house ultimate, and my response to every of them.
Concerning the Geelong vs Richmond qualifying ultimate in 2017
“Given the Cats do play house video games on the MCG, the complaining then was ridiculous … The notion that stopping greater than 60,000 supporters from witnessing a ultimate first hand when the MCG can also be a Geelong house venue … is not sensible.”
It appears misplaced on many individuals that Geelong are on document as saying they need each house sport they play to be at GMHBA Stadium. The very fact they’re nonetheless compelled to play home-and-away video games in Melbourne is an AFL choice, and doesn’t in any means make the MCG a Geelong house floor.
Till lately, the truth is, Geelong had been compelled to play numerous house video games at Docklands, and curiously, these video games had been virtually in opposition to groups who name Docklands house.
In these video games, house floor benefit was, in no unsure phrases, handed to the opposition, similar to when Geelong host Hawthorn or Richmond on the MCG.
Geelong versus Richmond: MCG
“Dangerfield’s evaluation that finals fixturing favouring the MCG challenges the competitors’s integrity is sort of frankly ridiculous. Of all of the anomalies within the AFL’s scheduling and questions of equity the Geelong case for a regional ultimate is low on any rational checklist of priorities.”
It’s factual that finals fixturing favours the MCG, which is the precise cause why all Victorian finals are performed there.
Moreover, the ‘fixture anomalies’ argument is fallen again on far too frequently on this debate.
The AFL forcing Geelong to host video games in Melbourne is at odds with nearly each different fixturing choice the AFL makes.
Admittedly, MCG groups are compelled to play one sport at Docklands annually, however normally in opposition to an interstate workforce, whereas Collingwood performs two video games there annually on their selecting, and the seemingly annual internet hosting of both North Melbourne, the Western Bulldogs, or St Kilda on the venue is the one instance of a workforce handing house floor to benefit to their opponent apart from Geelong.
And Collingwood can not complain: it’s been twenty years since they performed in Geelong.
Fremantle versus Geelong: 2013
“The Fremantle ultimate at Geelong again in 2013 … boasted a digital capability attendance of 32,815. Even that quantity would have been near double on the MCG”.
Geelong hosted Fremantle in two finals on the MCG within the three years earlier than 2013. The crowds had been 44,460 and 45,056. If we’re taking part in the numbers sport, it’s best to not exaggerate.
Different interstate groups
“And if we’re talking of integrity why ought to GWS or Brisbane must play a ultimate at a floor much less outfitted in each means than the MCG and even Marvel when Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon don’t?”
That is probably the most baffling counter-argument. Firstly, Geelong are solely lobbying particularly for these interstate groups to play a ultimate in Geelong, as a result of they know the AFL won’t ever ship a Melbourne workforce there.
The integrity concern right here will not be that of each non-Geelong workforce within the AFL. It’s the truth that Geelong wouldn’t get to play these groups at house. Supporters of smaller Melbourne-based groups frequently argue the unfairness of their workforce having to go to Geelong, whereas groups like Richmond, Collingwood and Hawthorn by no means do.
Since 2009, Geelong has hosted each single Melbourne workforce in Melbourne at the very least as soon as. The unfairness of that truth appears misplaced to the talk.
“Sooner or later Geelong must settle for actuality, put the rights of supporters first and park its marketing campaign.”
Within the late 1990s, Geelong actually risked their existence by going in opposition to the supposed higher judgement of the AFL, and refusing to maneuver all their video games to Melbourne.
On the coronary heart of this concern, is the truth that Geelong has by no means been a suburb of Melbourne, and championing the proper play house video games at house can’t be logically argued as something besides placing the rights of their very own supporters first.
Inherent on this quote is Melbourne-centric vanity on the coronary heart of the problem: the rights of supporters, not the rights of the house supporters.
Effectively, we preserve speaking about incomes the proper to benefits, and being the higher-ranked workforce is supposed to offer benefits. Until, after all, you’re positioned simply shut sufficient to Melbourne.
Why ought to Melbournians must journey to Geelong, the argument goes. Geelong individuals having to journey to Melbourne although, nicely, after all they need to must! It’s the large smoke in spite of everything.
So, this text was written with a robust consciousness of the numerous, and largely, illogical, counter arguments individuals will probably reply with. And I’ll tackle a few of them prematurely of the in all probability largely damaging feedback.
No, I don’t consider or anticipate Geelong will get any house finals in Geelong this 12 months, or for a really very long time. However, on the logic the AFL act as if they use, then sure, Geelong needs to be thought-about for a ultimate in opposition to an interstate workforce.
If you’re not satisfied; enable me to handle some contractions.
Some say, nicely, shouldn’t Geelong argue Docklands groups deserve house finals, then? Chris Scott has stated that a number of occasions this 12 months alone.
However what about locking out the followers? Or, as per the argument talked about earlier, if some groups don’t must go there why ought to others? Effectively, marry these two arguments collectively, after which think about this instance.
Think about GWS host Richmond in a preliminary ultimate this 12 months. The place ought to or not it’s held? Most groups can be despatched to Giants Stadium, for positive, as a result of GWS’ small supporter base.
The Wilson argument although, is after all that, given the quantity of followers you would need to lockout, it should be at a much bigger venue. So, transfer it to the SCG, as per the ‘house state’ rule.
Easy, proper? Effectively, in that case, Richmond wouldn’t must play on the similar floor as different groups would. However, additionally, as per the Wilson argument, that additionally lacks integrity.
Effectively then, the place ought to or not it’s, what do you suppose?